A Portal to Presence

In this episode of Breathwork Magic, I’m joined by the incredible Diana Divine for a powerful and expansive conversation about the deeper layers of breath, presence, and awakening. 

We explore how Breathwork becomes more than a practice... it becomes a portal into awareness, nervous system regulation, and reconnecting with your true essence.

From kundalini activation to practicing stillness in the middle of Times Square, this conversation is a reminder that your peace doesn’t come from your environment, it comes from within. If you’ve ever felt resistance, fear, or overwhelm when stepping into deeper work, this episode will gently guide you back to your breath… and back to yourself.

🌬️ In This Episode, We Explore:

✨ How Diana’s spiritual path began: from Reiki to shamanic practices to kundalini work
🧠 Why breathwork helps move you out of survival mode and into higher awareness
🌊 The power of practicing stillness in chaotic environments
🔥 Different breathwork styles (shamanic breath, soma breath, kundalini, Wim Hof)
🌀 What resistance really is and how to work with your ego instead of fighting it
💛 Nervous system regulation and the difference between reacting vs responding
🌌 Remembering that we are spiritual beings having a human experience

🔹 Connect with Amanda Russo, The Breathing Goddess:

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🔹Connect with Diana Divine

• Website: https://www.dianadivine.com/
• Book: Mastering Quantum Creation

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Until next time… keep breathing, keep shifting, and keep embracing the magic within you. I’m proud of you. 💛✨

Transcript

Welcome & Breathwork Framing

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Breathwork Magic, the podcast that explores the life-changing power of your breath. Breathwork isn't just a practice, it's a gateway to healing, transformation, and shifting to a new mindset by letting go of the past and embracing the possibilities of the present moment. I'm Amanda Russo, your host, a certified breathwork facilitator, level two Reiki practitioner, and creator of the Mando's Mindset Podcast. On my own journey, Breathwork has been a powerful tool for releasing what no longer serves me and shifting my perspective to step into my fullest and greatest potential. Each week, I'm joined by inspiring guests, breathwork facilitators, healers, and wellness enthusiasts who share how this practice has helped them and their clients heal, grow, and embrace lasting change. So take a deep breath. In and out. Settle in and let's explore the magic of your breath together. The transformation starts now. I'm your host, Amanda Vusso, aka the Breathing Goddess, and I am here today with Deanna Devine, and I am so excited to speak with her. Thanks so much for joining me.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Thank you for having me, Amanda. I'm excited to talk about breath work and kundalini wherever you take me.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

So I'm I'm curious when you discovered the power of our breath.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Oh gosh, I feel when I stepped into this work on, and I mean I've been on a spiritual path for over 25 years, and it started with Reiki energy healing, and then I went down to into the shamanic practices and became a shamanic dance teacher. And so we used the shamanic breath to infuse that state of kind of transcendence, of having people, you know, drop deeper into those experiences. So all that ecstatic dance of breath was so such an integral part of it. And I feel like I've been playing with so many breathwork techniques since then, and and just kind of like layering them with all the other energetic work I've been doing. But it's an integral part, of course, of allowing the person to really embody the energy to be in their body, to feel it, right? Any meditation you start like breathe into your heart, open your heart, release your thoughts. So it's really about bringing them from their mind into their body. And and it's been, I can't even think of like it's been such an integral part of everything that I do.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

You mentioned 25 years ago was when you got involved in all of that. That was when you first experienced Reiki.

First Meditation And Mind–Body Awareness

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Yeah, I mean, I this was, you know, 20 years. It's so funny, you and I were just talking about where our connections are, but it was actually in college sophomore year, in the same town you grew up, where um it's that sophomore year. I started doing like Buddhistic practices on campus where I took like Zen in Buddhism, and part of that we had these Buddhistic meditations. It was like this cute little Japanese garden, and that's where you know, I think connected to my breath. So this is even before Reiki opened up. I feel like it was preparation for what God to have without me fully knowing. And that was the first time I really connected to me. And of course, like any meditation, the breath is the leading tool to get you to be present, to clear your thoughts. And I remember as our professor kind of was guiding us through that, it was just such an interesting, beautiful way of realization of awareness and what was present in my field. It was such um interesting period in my life of like a lot of unknowns, and um yeah, that's I think where really started like some year in college for me when it's 20 years old, real, where I was just connecting deeper to my body and realizing what I'm putting my, you know, in college, first year especially, you gain so much weight, you put kinds of crap in your body, you're not fully understanding what's going on. And I think it was that sophomore year where things just shifted, and I completely became more in control of my diet, of my presence and awareness, and things just started kind of shield opening up from that moment on.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

Now, was this the first time you ever meditated?

SPEAKER_01 5:33

I think in that level, probably. I it's just never I never had an opportunity for someone to sit me down or explain what that means, what's the connection? I think it was around that period of time, yeah, that I started consistently doing it.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

What it did, this change how you showed up? Were you consistently meditating after this?

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Oh yeah. I mean, I was you know doing this on campus, and then after that, you know, wherever I was traveling, and it just became part of my routine. But it was not always like a meditation on cushion. Sometimes for me, meditation is actually moving meditation, but it was just more the attention to the breath and the awareness of my state and my consciousness and what's happening around me, where I realized I need to sometimes slow down and just be aware and notice things that maybe I wasn't paying attention to before. And I feel a lot of this build-up, even in the breath work is such a great tool, is like awareness of the awareness, is like notice this the spaces in between the breath, right? That that gap. Notice where the energy is going, notice these subtleties, and we go through a life so busy, you know, with everything going on, there's so much noise. Don't notice those in-between moments, those quantum gaps, as I call them, and all those subtle energies. I mean, today I'm a channeler, I'm you know, multidimensional quantum teacher, I teach all these things, but it all comes back down to the awareness of the awareness, and that's how I believe consciousness expands by that moment of contemplation, that moment of observer, the observer effect noted, right? And then we observe reality, the observer is observe and observe, that's when we can shift things, and yeah, so so powerful.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

That makes a lot of sense. Now, I'm curious when you first experienced breath work.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Oh wow, let me sing because it was probably later in my 20s when I started. I think it was probably in Bernie Man, my first Bernie Man 2009, where there's like a lot of classes, and I think that's where I really got into like somatic practices. And I feel like I I went to a breathwork class, it was like in the middle of the desert, right? A lot of people there, but it was like this catharsis where it was like a holotropic of work. We're lost it for now. People were shouting, it was it was very extreme, but that's where you know it was activating like my energy field, and I was just surrendering deeper, and I realized it wasn't just like you know, just each and breath, it was the moving of the energy in such a more expanding way, and all these energy bodies around us, and how we are this incredible, like toroidal field of energy, and how we can amplify that as well with the breast as we bring more oxygen into the cells. But I was like, you know, probably when I was 29 or so when I was exploring, I was in the phase of deeper shamanic transformation, exploration. I traveled the world a lot after that. It brought me to all kinds of fun places and experimenting with ecstatic dance and breath was part of it. How was halotropic breath work for you? Oh, it's catharsis, right? Uh, it's just it brings so much oxygen into the cells, but also I feel it activates all those pathways, the meridians, the field of energy that we have within us. So it's very activating. And today I honestly I use the a lot of holotropic breath work techniques in my classes. Um, my classes are more focused on Kondalini activation, but in order to bring people easier into that state, I do use holotropic breath for them to engage and kind of drop and render. And I tell them it's not a breath work class we have it right now, but it helps them, you know. And I'm also a certified soma breath facilitator. So I just tend to shift through different modalities and techniques of different breath works, but it could be just as easy as breathing in and out with your mouth open by bringing more oxygen and finding a consistent rhythm, finding that you know, connect for the person, the body, and just like magic happens. You see a lot of beautiful transformation. Some of them like stay with the breath, some drop it, but they definitely experience in the energy, and that's really part of it. And then me as a shaman data is to you know navigate it for them, help them to move some of those energies in you know, more controlled way. So yeah, it's been a journey, like I said, with a with the breath, with a realization of how we can step up and embody these frequencies, yeah, in in in whatever ways, but I feel a hologramic breath, it definitely pushes the needle.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

You mentioned your certified and soma breath as well. Isn't there other breath work you do?

Holotropic Breathwork In The Desert

Techniques: Kundalini, Soma, Wim Hof

SPEAKER_01 11:38

I mean, I just like the shamanic breath I mentioned, I use that a lot, the soma breath. I mean, all these techniques honestly, they all stem from ancient mystery schools where there's not a lot of you know secret anymore around them. They all based on the same principles of the kundalini energy, where you know, you squeeze that energy from the root into like the you know, the the pachakaras and allowing the energy to move, and you know, Wimhof method I love as well, where you know, you ever probably with Wim Hof. I love some dance to do Wim Hof with my kid, and then cold plunges and all. So I experiment with different ones, um, because and I think sometimes I just create them real time as well, especially you know, with your meditation where you want to break a person into a specific state, um, you're using the breath as a tool of navigation. Do you have a favorite of of the breath folk types? Do I have a favorite? Oh my god, that's a hard one. I think for myself, I definitely love the kundalini one, the cobra kundalini one where you squeeze the the perennial, the root, and you bring an energy that life forest into your heart and then you know into upper chakras and hold here the retention of the breath, I feel is important as well, not just holotropic breathing. Because it's it's so interesting because you know they've done studies, and for instance, whales they live for sometimes 200 years, and the reason live so long is because the whales, you know, they come up, they take a breath, and then they go on into the water for 90 minutes or so. So they're able to retain breath for a very long time, and they are mammals. So we, I feel, breathe too much oxygen, and one of the reasons why we go through so much stress of the body, because I feel we do have too much oxygen, and we when we sleep, many of us have the sleep apnea. We all fall the mouth open often the time and we don't close it. So there's the jaw, the jaw has changed. The humans haven't really learned how to breathe correctly. So a lot of the issues we have while we sleep is also has to do with the breath and not learning how to breathe through the nose, but we mostly breathe through a mouse. It's like no one has taught us how to breathe correctly or how to not breathe shallow, but really breathe deeply into the womb and expand the womb, which is the tracker of creation. So we're really here, but we're not really fully breathing with a whole body. So a lot of my energy, you know, work that I do with people is allowing them to fully breathe, like with the whole fiber of their being, not just you know, shallow breathing. And um, yeah, so it's I think that one I like the most for myself because it just gets you into your higher brain, into your crown chakra, it gets you really activated. But others, you know, different techniques for different occasions, whatever works to get the clients, the group into when they are present. And it's all about resistance. So the way I see it's energy times capacity divided by resistance. So it's like how much energy can we bring into the system depends on how much capacity we have to force them, but it all depends on how much resistance in the field. So if someone is really resistant or they have a lot of traumas and a lot of things going on that's on the body of the body, and that's usually kind of what I see in the field. So if we can allow them to feel safe and allow them to surrender and resist less and less, then more energy comes into you know the body and more and there's more capacity. So they can actually you know breathe even more of oxygen and feel more energy kind of pulsing through them, they become the energy. So in kundalini, we talk about it like shakti energy, the life force, right? Surrender into this divine mother force and and be one with it. So the person can only do it if they really like when we say, you know, kundalini awaken, what does that mean? It's just someone who has less resistance, who kind of walks through their layers, kind of like an onion, layers of traumas, release, release, the motions, whatever it takes. And sometimes it takes so so many layers to really come to the true essence of who we are. And so they the breath work becomes easier for them too. So there's none of that resistance they have to circumvent, or their mind, or their ego is just like freaking out, like what's going on, my muscles spasive, right? All of those things, because they already know, they know how to be in the life force, they know how to be one with it. They allow the somatic intelligence to do what it needs to do because it already knows, like the body intelligence is incredible, and we such a powerful, right? I mean, the beings of light, of quantum potential, of this energy. We the voltage of the body, I mean, it's incredible. All these tests and scientific proof they have it now, just like our heart alone is this incredible magnetic force. So, how can we activate all that? Because a lot of people, you know, walk through their life completely disconnected. And I think breath work is all about that, it's all about connecting us back to who we are, and it can be as simple as taking deep breath into your heart and exhale out, and another deep breath in and exhale out, or your mouth open release and everything that's not serving you anymore, and another deep breath in, bringing them all out and released the resistance, re breath, and the person completely shifts. So powerful.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

I never realized whales lived that long. And that is such an interesting fact to me, but it makes a lot of sense. All everything you just mentioned. Now, I'm curious what breath work has helped you with the most personally.

Retention, Physiology, And Deep Breathing

SPEAKER_01 18:12

What helped me the most, it gave me Wayhoff breathwork has been really great in I don't know if it helped me, but I like it for the connection I have with my kids. It's like really simple. But also, like I just did a cold plunge yesterday, and it was like, oh wow, I don't think I can do it. But then I kind of like learned that technique of like, you know, bringing all of that, like heating up his systems through breath, right? So he has those cycles, you do like 30 breaths and then you hold. I think just learn how to hold energy and to hold breath and then getting past that fear of cold, say, or fear of pain, that's been really powerful. I've been kind of learning how to stand real so get into more cold water because we want to be so comfortable. We don't want to push our boundaries, we just kind of want to be in a comfort zone. But the thing is, everything we that I know about nature of reality is like first of all, universe loves change, and universe loves also courage and loves us to push our boundaries because if we're just in the comfort zone, we're not gonna learn anything, we're not gonna learn anything about our body. And for me, honestly, my whole awakening has been through the body. So since 16 years old, I've been dealing a lot of with like chronic back pain, and then I developed sciatica. But as I was awakening, you know, also one of the deepest lessons having to transmute that when my body, mind, and spirit all came together, I was able to no longer be victim of this pain and and completely rewire my somatic system. And so I haven't had pain almost in a decade, which is incredible. And a lot of it has to do with intelligence, with the work of the breast, the work of you know retraining a whole system to connect because it knows what to do or how to align. So for me, it's Wimcov has been part of the journey, but it was just, I would say, just in general, just breathing and being with it all. It's just learning how to, like I said before, like what I'm doing for others is what I did for myself, is to learn how to deeper surrender and not be so much in my mind and try to control the story to control the pain or to understand what's happening, but realize the pain is not against me, it's for me. It's my actual turtle medicine. So it slowed me down and some places. I remember when you know, I moved to New York City from Boston and and that's where the year into my year, you know, being here. And New York is so busy, we run around, and then I'm like such a good time to slow down because in the slowing down of I started realizing, oh wow, like yeah, like there's moments I just need to sit on the bench and just watch people and not always run around and be in the chaos of it all. Sometimes it's powerful to stand in the middle of Times Square and in the storm, in the eye of the storm, and just be and so just learning how to be versus how to do. We such generate a culture where we rush, we try to produce, and now we I think a lot of it is all programming, we've been programmed to operate that way, to run the machine, right? And so we get so distracted that we don't pay attention to how we should just be. And sometimes the best medicine is to just be in the moment, and the more present you are in the moment with yourself, being really true to yourself, with your feelings, with what you know, hurts you not, hurting you. How are you in your body? How you are you in your mind, how you in your spirit, how you know your all light bodies, how are you with your connections to your highest, to you guys, whoever, right? All these little layers of how are you and being gentle and loving, loving towards yourself. And I think a lot of us are very hard on ourselves, and we're trying to push ourselves into something that we're not. And I feel that. Those lessons I've learned a lot through slowing through breezing, meaning being present in in whatever situation I'm in or wherever I am, whether I'm traveling around the world on places, or like I said, in the middle of Times Square, but just being those those were good practices.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

Was that a little challenging being in Times Square for you?

Pain, Cold Plunge, And Resilience

SPEAKER_01 22:51

Well, initially, but this was part of the practice, actually. I at the time when I moved to New York City, I lived nearby to be in the middle of it all. I was 30 years old. I was like, I wanna I wanna like experience this New York dream. So might as well just be in the chaos of it all, not fully realizing what I signed up for. And then I was in the yoga teacher training, learning about the body, breath work, of course, part of it too. And um and learning, and I was doing ecstatic dancing, and we were learning these five rhythms, and one of them was actually about stillness, and she actually, the teacher gave us an assignment to go from New York and stand there and learn what stillness is like, and that that so I decided to go to the craziest place of them all, and I'm square and learn about stillness, and so a lot of it was just how to pull the energy back in into your body, right? Not to be so external but internal and really still in your old central column, if you're you know, heavy feet on the ground, really grounded to Mother Earth, and being really still and present in your body, and so no matter what is around you, you know, the signs, people, all of that chaos, like I said, like in the eye of the storm, you are and within the eye of the storm, it's actually really, really peaceful. And the so, but the peace is not something we should look outside of ourselves, it's more something you cultivate from your internal state. So, learning stillness, I feel, is the most powerful tool. And in if you have that internal stillness, that internal peace, you bring it wherever you go, you become that like the master, right? And people can feel it, they feel like you uh literally transmuting when they're uh you know difficult situations or whatever it is, yeah. You know, New York is like insane, but it's a great training ground too. So I've been blessed with experiences. I'm more, of course, like I don't go into the city that often, and I'm well living in suburbs, you know, and I live a different life. And if I have to go in, like I don't go to Times Square, like I find my stillness pockets, but I think the idea is to stress ourselves in different situations and know the different polarities of who we are, how we operate, and where there's anxiety and how it can calm us nervous system down, no matter what's going on. And that's really what this is about. I think best work is about nervous system regulation, it's learning how to regulate your system and not have the external forces to affect you in a way that you are control. And so this is ancient technology, and this body's ancient technology too. I mean, this body, this is like a hardware, and we have a soul, the software that comes in and you know, we run it, but the software is always a little more aggressive than the body, the body's always a little behind, and so knowing that sometimes we have to adjust and realign and recalibrate. Yeah, but it's so incredible. We just scratching the surface of what this body is all about and how far we can take it, really. Like we just learn, and it's a beautiful. I was in awe, I don't know, man, about you. Like every time you teach these things or create containers for us to experience these or these connections to all it feels so amazing. It feels like we we are here bringing ancient knowledge, you know, mystery schools in Egypt, mystery schools of Atlantis, something that high priestess always done. I know in my other lifetimes have done, and the the this information is like finally coming to be in the mainstream, right? Everyone goes to yoga class, they breathe in, they understand it past these such as they can. But we we just I feel relearning, re-remembering who we truly am.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

That's really cool that you had that experience with stillness, and and you did it in a place that was so busy. I bet that taught you a lot, even about yourself.

Stillness Training In Times Square

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Oh yeah, I I love stillness. Stillness is something I practice all the time. It's especially when things you know starting to get crazy. I'm reminded it's like a spiritual muscle, you know. You go to the gym, you lift weights, and then you remember, you know, that well, when you lift weights, like your biceps types are stronger and stronger. Same here, like it's something we need to practice on a daily basis, and that's why I always say practice promotes presence. It doesn't have to be meditation. Sometimes it can be meditation on the go, sometimes it's going to nature. We can practice stillness in different ways. It's not always about sitting on the cushion, it could be more active stillness as well, but it's still stillness because we're slowing down a system, we connect into nature, we're hugging a tree, and we're regulating our nervous system, we're regulating our endocrine system, our whole body like goes more in parasympathetic being in fight and flight. And so, yeah, learning that in that place that is so you know chaotic was powerful. And I continue constantly to implement and go to my spiritual gym and lift my weights and practice it in whatever work on a daily basis when I can. And it can be, like I said, three breaths, three breaths to re-regulate yourself. It's that simple, and so it's cultivation of practice that's so important. And so, whoever's listening to this, if you don't have a practice, build one. Doesn't have to be complex, don't overcomplicate it. You're like, Oh, I don't have 20 minutes to breathe, I don't have 10 minutes to breathe. Find a minute, find three minutes, you know, find those minutes minutes throughout the day. It doesn't, it's just intention, I think, and awareness is really what counts. How do you start your day? What's your intention for the day? You know, remembering we are creators of our reality. And so what you're thinking, what intentions you have, the attitude you have for life is what really matters. And then you can add breath to it, you can add more energy to it and notice what bothers you. And if you feel your thoughts are too chaotic or you know, you're worrying too much, again, all it takes to exhale that out and release that and bring it back into the body. So noticing all that is so important, so you become more aware of your states versus being some of circumstances and being reactionary, right? Because otherwise, what happens in the world? Everyone reacts so quickly, they snap at you. You know, you drive your car in the morning, and oh my god, you're getting too slow. And then that guy behind you who's like deep in and wants to get that reaction out of you, and this is where you discuss too. You're like, no, I'm not gonna respond. No, I'm not gonna react, I will respond. What is response versus reaction? The difference is different, right? You pause instead of like being reactionary right way and being triggered, which is the rest of the world wants you to do, and being very resilient, brain, you take a pause, you take breath, and you're like, right? And then you're like, okay, good luck, guy. You want to go around me? Fine. Like, we're not reacting back to them because that aggravates a system. We operated out of stillness, and the stillness is that response where you have a pause between where you were like making a choice in the moment. It's like, no, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to get into that frequency vibrational like that person is. Let them go, let them be. And you going back to your own centerness, your own, you know, your old inner stillness. Inner stillness is so important.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

I love everything you just said there. I completely agree. Completely agree. You know, I think uh awareness is very important, but I also I love what you mentioned about intention. If we don't, even for the day, like if you don't have an intention for how you plan to show up, what you plan, anything, you know, we're gonna be more likely to be reactive if we don't have intentions for how we want to show up. That's a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

Showing up for yourself, for showing up for others, the commitments we make in life, the choices. I mean, this I feel life is all about choices make along the way. No, and supposedly too hard on ourselves, because we took the left term or we're sort of taking the right miss now, but the intention, if it's there and it's pure, both roads lead to the same destination. As long as you're clear and you have that clarity and the vision and the mission of what you're trying to achieve, and then you're taking baby steps towards it, and then you know, taking a deep breath and releasing again when you feel like it's not going the way you want to. So the breath is really, you know, for me, it's it's back to that extended, right? So she was teaching us five five rhythms, it's like five rhythms of life. So it's the first one is the breath in, the inhale, right? The flow, and then it's out, like the exhale out, and then when you exhale out, you know, you might have a situation, and then you have to go through chaos. So, chaos is a third rhythm where it's like you have to like let it go, shake your head, you know, do whatever you need to like allow that energy to come out of your feel because it's not serving you any longer, and then as you did, you become lyrical, you become lighter. There's still a little remnants of it, so but your feel is much lighter, and ultimately you want to bring it back to stillness. So that's the fifhrism. So that I feel that's kind of what happens all in our life on a daily basis. You know, some places you just have to write it out, go through a little bit of chaos, release the chaos, and go back to stillness. As long as you know where you are in the cycle, as long as you know you're just metabolizing it all, taking it in, taking it out, understanding your reality. The breath is the such great tool to see how life is, because just as we breathe in and out, it was so incredible thing to be alive, right? Just by bring bringing an oxygen to to our system, and then the system stops the minute we stop breathing. So realizing we where we contract in and where expanding, right? Like our lungs, because universe is the same way. Universe is you know expanding, expanding, expanding at some point, it's like okay, I can't expand anymore, then it has to contract back and then expand somewhere else and contract again. So lungs operate in the same way. We you know can be literally a large and then we can contract back out, and we just release what what's not needed anymore and expand again. So but it's in the moment of the we become one with the universe, we become part of that creation cycle of the contractional expansion, and I think it's so beautiful that we get to experience consciousness in that kind of way in physicality. So it's incredible. I think that's what I said. I always in awe because the more you bring that awareness, that intention to your creation, to your breath, to your everyday, you know, no matter how it goes, where it goes, whatever you do, whether you're on a spiritual path, not on a spiritual path, like it's in the moment that you're aware of the reality, and that's all it takes.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Yeah, I I completely agree. I want to transition a tad. We touched upon resistance a little bit, but I'm I'm curious if you have any suggestions for anybody if they're facing resistance. Maybe they're even looking to try breath work, but they have resistance and even experiencing it.

Practice Builds Presence

SPEAKER_01 36:19

Yeah. I mean, what is resistance, right? Resistance is ego. Sometimes wanted to control the circumstances because remember our reptilian brains that are kind of you know, we operate from cave days, they f with fear because fear is well, when let's go back to the cave, right? We used per morning they sit in a cave, there was like a line running around out there, and danger is real, but then we build these survival mechanisms, knowing that, like, oh my god, I go out and grab these berries and then quickly roll back to the cave, I'm safe. So, if as long as I know there's like a clear path and I'm gonna get these berries every day, the same sameness equals safety because I'm used to it. I know it's controlled, my ego knows exactly what's happening, I'm protected, right? This is how it operates. The minute the berries dry out, oh my god, I'm freaking out because now I'm gonna go and pave a new path. I have to find another tree. There's line running around, so there's like fear vibrations coming up because anything that's unknown is fearful, but it's an illusion of the mind, you know, danger is real, yes. But is that that fear that we build, is that true fear, right? So resistance comes with that because the ego is just trying to control it's not safe, it's not safe for this. If you're gonna breathe so much, maybe something's gonna happen to you, maybe you know, all these internal dialogues and constricting contractionary frameworks that create of the fear, but everything is on the other side of fear because it fear is an illusion, we determine that. And if we not apply, so what happens when we surpass the lower brain and we move into prefrontal cortex, right? Because when we breathe, when we bring this energy into the third eye, into midbrain, in into pineal gland that activates you know, our antenna to the universe to our higher cell, this is the evolutionary brain. This is where joy is, this is where the higher connections are. So we have to surpass that lower brain and come into here and really be in pre-foral cortex. Just this is just biology, it's basic. So recognizing, you know, the internal dialogue. You know, maybe you can befriend your ego self and calming down and be like, it's okay, I will be safe. I'm gonna just explore this. This is you know, a uh my soul needs it. I I want to push myself and learn something new. So it's that fear of the of the unknown, right? It's like the cartoon thousand, you know, the song into the unknown. So anything unknown creates that anxiety, and so having these conversations with that guardian, the ego that's trying to like be like safeties and control is mechanized to go, and slowly breaking through, slowly like having these resolutions and maybe maybe not jumping into holotropic breath work, maybe starting somewhere gentle, maybe go to sound healing, maybe just go to yoga class and start training and retraining inner self to be more present in the heart to be, you know, not always in your brain, like I said, but more in the body, and gently start reprogramming that inner dialogue to quiet it down. And then eventually you'll be ready to step into that now, explore experience breath work with the lean activation, whatever that might be, maybe gently, or just do a meditation online, you know, find some guided breath work meditation, do five, 10 minutes just to get a flavor of it so that your ego self gets a little more quiet and more comfortable because it's created comfort. Remember, we we're trying to make it feel like it can be safe. That's we don't need protection, everything is gonna be fine. There's no line riding around. And so if we recognize that with our own inner self and the dialogues that we have, then I feel resistance is still better, it's not as strong, right? As how much resistance can we release? And some are sometimes really the resistance is just energetic resistance, too. Again, some of it is not even ours, it could be traumatic experiences of ancestors, it could be childhood experiences that we never processed. So, you know, we are here to unpeel all those layers and work through them and recalibrate through them. But I I feel ego is healthy to have, right? And so we're not trying to work on it in any kind of way, it's more kind of just to be friends with.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

That's the best way I can explain it. No, that that makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense, and I I like how you also mentioned about maybe doing one online, maybe attending a sound healing class, you know, and even showing the brain, the ego that it's safe, you can do it, and even easing the way in. That makes so much sense, Deanna. I love that.

Breath, Rhythm, And Life Cycles

SPEAKER_01 41:44

Exactly. Because not everyone, right? I mean, they're ready to jump up the cliff. They just not, unless they get pushed off, then they they will resist, fear is gonna come up, and it's all about again survival and suffering. And I mean, the state of consciousness we have to realize is you know, we are still operating in kind of third density in our lower chakras, where it's all about survival, it's all about you know how to be here. We're still figuring it out, and and this reality is gonna be squeezing juices out of us. And as we start moving out of the survival chakras more into the heart, into the throat of expression and speaking out truth into a third eye to truly see the inner vision with a third eye. That's why they call it third eye. Is actually this tiny uh gland that is actually an antenna that connects us to everything. So we we haven't been taught in school how to do that. Like we haven't control emotions, how to recognize, how to you know breathe correctly. And so know that we that that's totally healthy because you know the the logical mind in and the emo self is trying to be, like I said, always in control, and so and that's beauty too, because having experience on earth right now in this density gives us what in other places might we not have is uh identity. So we're learning what that identity is, but also we sometimes over-identify with our story, you know. We have that tendency to spin the story, and we're so in it and we saw like like in the loop, right? It's like a broken record, and that's the beauty of breathworks too, because what happens when you get out of the reptilian brain? What happens when your part of the brain's down and then you can shift? That's you can step out of the story and actually see the whole situation now from new perspective, because you realize in that, oh, this is just one story, but I actually can rewrite the story. Maybe there's another story I can create, and so recognize nice loops and you know, learning new way, new perspectives uh through stillness, through negotiation with the ego, all of that. And it's ego versus divine will or higher self. It's like how do we how can we marry them together, right? Can mind and the spirit work together? Think of them as these two circles. I mean, you have the body, mind. Body spirit, right? They all overlap with each other. And these spaces of overlap is like where we build these relationships together. And ultimately, the best thing is when all three sequels come together and find our nice relationships with each other because we are part of that. Like we not just this physical body alone, right? There's so much more of that invisible energy and way beyond the physical. But we have to learn the physical because the physical is this experience we're having here. But we are spiritual beings having a physical experience, not physical beings having a spiritual experience, and we have to remember that.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

I completely agree, Deanna. Thank you so much. I really enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

Thank you so much, Amanda. And we have a final message for you. Just take those few breaths and just breathe into your heart, expand your heart, see the difference.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

Definitely. And if listeners want to connect with you, where is the best place for them to do that?

SPEAKER_01 45:40

Yeah, I'd love to have you come to one of my master classes. I do on a monthly basis and any different other offerings. So you I also have a ticket called Communication. It's on YouTube at Diana MDivine. My website is Diana, or spelled as DianaDivine.com. And so just come to my website. Um, I have a book out there. It's called Mastering Quantum Creation, where I talk about a lot of these things and more. A bunch of patients, I have an oracle back. So just go to DianaDevine.com and find that info.

Moving Through Resistance And Ego

SPEAKER_00 46:17

Awesome. And I will link that in the show notes. Thank you so much, Gianna. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Amanda. Thank you for having. Absolutely. And thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Breathwork Magic. Thank you for tuning in to Breathwork Magic. I hope today's episode inspires you to connect more deeply with your breath and embrace the transformation it can bring. Remember, as long as you have your breath, you have options. You're not stuck. You can make a change. You can make a shift. Each inhale is a new beginning. And every exhale is a chance to let go of what no longer serves you. If you're craving a reset, I'd love to invite you to Mindful Mindset Mondays, now held on the last Monday of every month. It's a virtual pay what you can breath work session designed to help you recharge and realign. You'll find all the info in the show notes. And if you're ready to go even deeper, you can always schedule a one-on-one breath work session with me. This is your space to work through what's coming up and move energy in a more personalized way. As always, thank you so much for listening. If you loved this episode, it would mean the world if you shared it with a friend or left a review. Your support helps more people discover the magic of breath work and the shift it can bring. Until next time, keep breathing, keep shifting, and keep embracing the magic with inside of you. I'm proud of you. I'm rooting for you. And you've got this.